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NetJets
Jul 18, 2013 23:42:54 GMT -5
Post by whatwouldherbdo on Jul 18, 2013 23:42:54 GMT -5
Hey Navy,
How long have been on there and how do you like it? You were IAH-based, right?
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NetJets
Jul 19, 2013 6:42:07 GMT -5
Post by flynavy on Jul 19, 2013 6:42:07 GMT -5
Been at Executive AirShare since December 2012. I left Avantair last year when I realized what was going on during the "voluntary stand down" last fall. I like AirShare very much. The management team is honest, is committed to safety & service and doesn't lie to earn business. We're not for everyone, but for those which the model works for it's a great program. My experience with the pilots is that they're a very happy group and enjoy their job. We have about 20 aircraft under management as well as our fractional fleet of 25 airplanes. I also have the opportunity to witness our maintenance operations on a daily basis and it's first rate.
No, not IAH based. I'm the Sr. Sales Director for Texas, located at DAL.
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NetJets
Jul 19, 2013 7:51:10 GMT -5
Post by tonysoprano on Jul 19, 2013 7:51:10 GMT -5
Your money and you family would be safe with Executive AirShare as well. We offer outstanding service at a very fair price. We do not over-promise and under-deliver. Check us out at www.execairshare.comas long as you live in the midwest.... or upstate ny. Avantair was a company with a us presence that just went bankrupt and now you want to roll the dice on an even smaller regional company? Flexjet, Flight Options and Netjets at least provide stability and experience. Hey it's your money to lose..... AGAIN.
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NetJets
Jul 19, 2013 9:30:18 GMT -5
Post by flynavy on Jul 19, 2013 9:30:18 GMT -5
It's all about how you run your business, not how big you are or where you're located. Executive AirShare has been in business for 10 plus years and during that time has maintained steady, positive growth every single year since 2002. No other fractional provider can say that.
We have a solid business plan, good, honest management and solid financials. We don't try to be "all things to all people" and we know we're not for everyone, but for those who's travel needs fit into our model we provide outstanding service at a price significantly below the competition. The number of people who leave national programs to come to us by far outweighs those who have left us to move to a national program.
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NetJets
Jul 19, 2013 17:34:33 GMT -5
Post by onegoodyear on Jul 19, 2013 17:34:33 GMT -5
Amen on that. I bit the bullet and bought a 25 hour NetJets card on a Hawker 400. They did give me 2 extra hours so 27 total, and you can message me and I will tell you how to get those hours. Plus they let you upgrade to an Excel for free with 5 of those hours. They are phasing out the Hawker so the majority of the time they will send you something nicer anyway. It's expensive BUT at least I know my money is safe with Warren Buffett. I did the same (you got an extra hour out of them). My two flights so far have been a Hawker 900xp and an Excel.
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NetJets
Jul 19, 2013 18:16:05 GMT -5
Post by Guest2 on Jul 19, 2013 18:16:05 GMT -5
I remember back in the day when Avantair was open to real good customer service, well you know before SS and mcslimey thought that they actually should earn more than the CEO s of Costco and southwest... Companies that actually make money. Good lord I hope they get jail time
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NetJets
Jul 20, 2013 15:32:18 GMT -5
Post by n106slshareowner on Jul 20, 2013 15:32:18 GMT -5
I'm based in Florida so I'm don't think I'm in Executive Air Shares core area. Once I burn thru my 27 hours on NetJets I will reevaluate my options. Good luck everyone!
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NetJets
Jul 21, 2013 16:40:17 GMT -5
Post by tonysoprano on Jul 21, 2013 16:40:17 GMT -5
I'm sure avantair said all those same things too. Oh wait they actually did.
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NetJets
Jul 22, 2013 9:37:22 GMT -5
Post by Phenomowner on Jul 22, 2013 9:37:22 GMT -5
I am a former Avantair card holder and now own my own Phenom 300. While I thankfully have no dog in this fight, I am posting simply to offer a couple thoughts.
As I said I purchased a 25 hour card in order to "try out" the Avanti P180II. While it is a unique aircraft, being a pilot myself I could see it had some limitations in design, execution, and practicality. I enjoyed the flights, but it was obvious from the condition of a couple different planes and having to switch aircraft on two flights that maintenance was not up to MY standards.
Knowing what it should cost to fly these type of airplanes (I owned two other piston twins at the time) it seemed to me that the cost was too low for this exotic of an aircraft. I decided then that is cost was going to be the major factor in flying of this category then I would be better off taking the airlines or making some other arrangement! As the old adage goes: When you need brain surgery, you don't look for the cheapest, you look for the best! Flying is the same, in both cases your life or lives depend on a successful outcome!
This brings me to Executive Airshare and the Phenom 300. I purchased a delivery position from them (serial #81) and use their aircraft management services along with pilot services. Their team is the absolute BEST I have found with regards to professionalism, promptness, and service to their customers. While I am not a fractional customer because I own my own aircraft, I enjoy the same service as if I were. As far as the Phenom 300 itself, I did my homework before purchasing and there is nothing else out there that even comes close to the range, maintenance schedules, performance, baggage area and comfort of this aircraft. And, being from Kansas i REALLY wanted to buy a Wichita built aircraft. So far in 18 months since delivery I have achieved 100% dispatch reliability, with less down time than I had planned even for routine maintenance. It is leaps and bounds ahead of the competition in my opinion.
If I were in the market for a fractional, I would look to Executive Airshare for a 300 share first, and if it didnt fit (it won't for a lot of people and they are honest enough to tell you), then look elsewhere. There is a reason NetJets ordered 125 of them.
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NetJets
Jul 25, 2013 9:42:13 GMT -5
Post by olduser on Jul 25, 2013 9:42:13 GMT -5
In past years, I have used FlexJet and then NetJets (twice) and, finally, Avantair as my travel needs changed. NetJets was clearly the superior service, but Avantair was very cost effective for short (one hour) trips, which I made frequently. I decided not to "re-up" at Avantair after examining their financial statements, which in hindsight was a good decision; however, I would like to find a reliable provider for travel to and from central Florida to Jacksonville, Atlanta, etc. Since this is not business related, it is usually one way and then a later return, which complicates the problem. Is anyone aware of a safe, reliable source that might provide prop-jet service of this type? Thanks
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NetJets
Jul 25, 2013 11:29:57 GMT -5
Post by oldjoe on Jul 25, 2013 11:29:57 GMT -5
Try Planesense. They fly pilatuas planes and have been around for a long time
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NetJets
Aug 8, 2013 15:19:05 GMT -5
Post by JetSet Group on Aug 8, 2013 15:19:05 GMT -5
Agreed, the Net Jets pricing is hard to stomach. We have 25 hour jet cards...No maintenance fees, no overnights, no fuel surcharges, no landing fees, all included in the price of the card. Starting at 117k for light jets (incl. tax). We use great aircraft and have many different cards. Plenty of Avant and Marquis clients have migrated here. Feel free to check out our site and inquire about the most current pricing. www.jetsetgrp.com
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NetJets
Aug 28, 2013 14:35:37 GMT -5
Post by jfreshjet on Aug 28, 2013 14:35:37 GMT -5
I used a firm covering the east coast called Exclusive Jetz prior to buying my Axis card... should have stayed with Exclusive Jetz ( www.exclusivejetz.com ) They were great, I thought 'Avantground' was a better deal, I guess I can chalk that up to experience Started right back with Exclusive Jetz last week on a Phenom 300-- fantastic jet and the same excellent service I recall. Ill be staying here after this disaster with AA (AG?). I understand Exclusive Jetz has other Hawker 400XP, 800XP and Gulfstreams, but I love my Phenom 300. They manage and operate jets for the jet owners, allowing a select number of us clients to buy exclusive time in a given jet-- I lucked out and there was still availability on the Phenom 300 so I get to have my own jet and my own crew all the time. Price is waaay less than Netjets (had tried them too), no major upfront money risk, and they gave me a money back guarantee. I actually fly my own airplane with the same 2 pilots all the time... you all may want to take a look at them too.
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NetJets
Aug 28, 2013 16:11:04 GMT -5
Post by nojoeshmo on Aug 28, 2013 16:11:04 GMT -5
After reading some of your posts, I have decided to chime in and I hope the following is well received. I am a veteran charter provider with worldwide capabilities. I make it very difficult for my clients to find a superior service. I say that confidently because I am very knowledgeable about the market and the popular options someone might consider because I often compete against. Some of you might get totally turned off with the word "charter broker" but the fact is, if you are dealing with a very good one (far and few between), there is NOTHING better and I can prove it.
I am a rare breed in my industry in that I put my clients first and I do so with a very high level of communication, flexibility, quality control and competitive pricing (safety always being paramount). Any company who owns/manages aircraft, staffs crew, is not putting their client first. Any company who fixes their pricing, is rarely fixing the pricing in the best interest of a client. NetJets, FlexJet, Flight Options, Citation Shares/Charter, JetSuite are more concerned about the efficiency/inefficiency of their operation then they are about you getting the best ROI on your needs/routes. While all those companies I mentioned are great, none of them work in your best interest like I do for my clients.
Many of you don't like charter and I know every single reason there is. Many of the issues stem from a lack of communication, possibly you poorly explained your needs or expectations or the charter provider falsely set expectations, over promising and under delivering/miscommunicating. You were offered an aircraft that looked good on paper but when you flew on it, smelled like wet dogs or old cigarettes. Crew wasn't friendly, looked like they partied hard the night before. I ordered everything bagels but only plain showed up. Aircraft had a unforeseen mechanical and the provider wasn't able to provide backup solution. You wanted your limes cut into 8th's but you ended up getting 6th's. Whatever your reason for not liking charter, whether you had a back experience with a local provider or perhaps an inexperienced broker who tries to give me a bad name by association, I ask for you to give it another shot, let me set the bar a little higher. Nothing gives me greater satisfaction than to show someone a better way to do something they are already doing.
You already fly privately and my goal isn't to necessarily take you away from your current provider (although I can often provide for strong debate), but show you a better way to use your hours whether it be a Marquis Card you have, JetSuite membership or fractional membership. Many of my clients use anywhere from 1-3 providers, either they use me exclusively because it makes sense for them to do so or I've showed them that 50hrs out of their 100/yr contract would be significantly more cost effective using charter. There are some trips I do for fractional owners where I am 20%-40% less on the same if not larger aircraft.
JetSuite is a great program but they are limited to just Phenom 100 and CJ3 and you see how there are trips where they are not cost effective to consider. Maybe a PC-12 would work out better for you versus a Phenom 100. Maybe you don't like single engine turbo props, I learn that about my clients. Sentient is a great program but they tend to be a bit of a blind date and depending on your level of participation, I will be at least 15% less on the same exact aircraft (literally same tail #) and the service they provide is not better then the service I provide, if it was, I wouldn't keep pulling away clients from them.
The Marquis Card is the most expensive program in the industry but if you are the type of guy/gal who always fly's from Des Moines, IA to Albuquerque, NM and you are staying for a week, where charter would likely have to charge two round trips, Marquis makes sense.
Not every trip will it make sense to use your program and not every trip will it make sense to use charter. The savviest of flyers will recognize that there isn't necessarily one program that meets all of their needs although most programs will try and tout that they do. Fractional programs, especially NetJets have a lots of different aircraft and even though your program might be with a XLS. They will tell you that if you need a larger aircraft because you now have 9 passengers and not 6, you can absolutely do so. What you may or may not realize is by doing so, you receive a very unfavorable interchange ratio where if you thought you were paying a lot for the XLS, you wont be thrilled when you are being deducted 1.6 hours (fictitious example) for every hour you utilize that larger aircraft. NEVER would NetJets tell you that your trip might be a trip you should possibly consider charter for. Any company that doesn't suggest a better way for you to fly is simply not working in your best interest even though they may offer a great service and great fleet.
I can talk for days, my apologies for being long winded. Hopefully I've only started to show you that your current usage could perhaps be done a little better than you're currently doing it. My clients deal with me and me only for all trip needs, not a different person or department each time you call, and I am available 24/7. Please reach out to me any time.
brian@bluestarjets.com
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NetJets
Aug 28, 2013 17:12:04 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by aircraftmx on Aug 28, 2013 17:12:04 GMT -5
I am so glad this forum hasn't become a repository for other providers to peddle their wares...
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