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Post by avantair employee on Jul 6, 2013 10:40:04 GMT -5
Fuller owned 6 piaggios with us. It wouldn't surprise me if he used the TBM if a Piaggio was unavailable. It was in fact used to move mechanics around to fix airplanes once again just the facts. Stop with the conspiracy theories. What are we going to talk about next the 8 year old motorcycle that was used in marketing and at the NBAA display in Orlando years ago or wait the golf cart that is in clearwater and is on a brochure in the office as a fractional give away. Those are things used for sales and marketing. I don't see that as unusual. In fact when i drove up to NBAA i was proud of display. A bunch of us were.
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Post by guest on Jul 6, 2013 10:51:26 GMT -5
As an Avantair pilot for 5 years I never had a broken airplane get "rescued" by the TBM. I did however have many "rescued" by the other plane the company leased for this purpose, the Pilatus PC-12 (I believe 2 at one point).
In all fairness I know the TBM did make occasional mx support flights but every time I saw it on the PIE ramp it wasn't mechanics climbing in..
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Post by merc on Jul 6, 2013 11:12:54 GMT -5
Ok not to pick at the scab but, what was or is the current market value and disposition of these company assetts?
2 Maserati's ----were these in the company's name or just handed over to Steve and Kevin? TBM Pilatus(s) or Pilati Chopper Golf Cart that cost $15-25k to buy and customize (was this ever awarded to an owner or maybe a pal of the executive team and or Board who happens to be an owner)
Do you think perhaps maybe some folks at the top just didn't have what it took to control the numbers and maybe thought they could juggle their way out of things? Is it possible that they assumed they were intitled to use company assetts a little bit more liberally than they should have. All good questions. I would love to hear explainations but I realize that we employees have over run the owner's forum and I am sorry for our passions rising to the top. Perhaps we should have expressed ourselves long ago to our senior members of management but frankly we didn't for fear of retribution or termination. When you little to nothing to loose, the truest feelings come out.
I need a job. I'm not too proud to say that. While this one wasn't perfect, it did pay my bills. Perhaps if it comes back and many issues are resolved regarding stability, maybe I will stick around. History is not a good barometer to make that choice though. Eiher way this decision will be based upon the owners and the ability of whoever sits on the company side. You owners are fluent in the ways of business and presumably you will perform your due dilligence and use some emotion to decide which way things should go. The passions of my fellow collegues are a culmination of stress and the need to vent. I want to ask my fellow employees to back off a bit to allow the normal business of the owners to take place. If you don't plan to come back to Avantair in whatever form it takes then you have no reason to discourage these folks. It's their money to invest or loose whichever the case may be. I respect the intent to try and protect these owners but that's their specialty. I hope the needless bickering can stop. If there is to be any action going forward for illegal business activity, there is usually a trail. Where there is smoke there is generally fire. It will all come out in the end.
Good luck owners whether staying or going.
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Post by Kevin McTroglodyte on Jul 6, 2013 11:18:45 GMT -5
Jason,
The reason why you think, in your limited intellect, that the pilots caused delays, is because you have this stupid belief that 30 min turns should be standard, and if a crew took an hour on the ground to clear customs, take on full fuel, and grab a shitty sandwich from the FBO that they were doing everything they could to sandbag. You and your fembot T1000 were scheduling guys for 14 hour days with 30 min turns EVERY DAY, and then couldn't figure out how trips became uncovered. I heard after I left someone left a book entitled "Understanding the FARs" on your desk. I guess you have plenty of time to read up now, huh?
Congratulations! You are only second to McKamey on the list of people who are the most complete and utter buffons who held management positions at that place due to the buddy system. I assume you will be following Chuckles to Sky Limo now? I hear old Slimo is a shit show too, so you'll fit right in.
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Post by Guest on Jul 6, 2013 11:49:33 GMT -5
Avantair employee,
All the ill will or good will on this board will make no difference, the company is toast, NewCo is likely a non-starter, and owners are moving to recover their aircraft as we speak. A number of them will likely be surprised by their plane's condition. The will respond accordingly, private aircraft owners as a rule are not idiots. The company's execs may be guilty of malfeasance or not, I don't know, but it will be determined by the bankruptcy trustee and the Feds, either way.
Speaking of the Feds, my advice would be to be proactive there. Soon. And get familiar with terms like "willful blindness"...
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Post by onegoodyear on Jul 6, 2013 12:39:01 GMT -5
More facts we were all told the company was going to sell off 10 airplanes . If my memory is correct we got up to 44 or 45 on the operating certificate. I don't want to keep dispelling rumors. Lets try and move forward so we can all put food on the table. The conspiracy theories are not helping anyone I am going to stay on as a guest I know how you can be and I don't want to suffer the same smear campaign you have started against others You will be witness number 1 in both the SEC and Fraud complaint. Thank you for confirming from the inside that Avantair did not have the number of planes that they put in there SEC filings. Santo signed all of those filings, at the very least he will be responsible.
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Post by vnrpilots on Jul 6, 2013 15:17:35 GMT -5
Honestly, overstating number of operational aircraft to me seems like a small infraction compared to what's been going on. Part swapping and selling shares on planes not even airworthy or already wholly owned, not tracking parts, using company assets for personal travel while chartering / denying flights to owners, skimming money with shell companies and the like seem like much bigger fish to fry. It'll all come out. The owners here are just starting to wrap their heads around it. Many of the pilot group have been 'inside baseball' for awhile now and have long gotten past the shock.
You keep hoping it will turn around...so you push on. You figure the BoD will finally have enough and replace the CEO...so you push on. It never happens and you cant figure out why. Weird.
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Post by onegoodyear on Jul 6, 2013 15:39:02 GMT -5
It's like getting Capone for tax evasion. You go for the easy charges that you can quickly prove. Round up as many people that you can that you can pin the charges on, dangle immunity to a few, and then you get the bigger fish for all of the other things mentioned.
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Post by whatwouldherbdo on Jul 7, 2013 1:26:35 GMT -5
Fractional owners. You should now this is the work of a handful of pilots. They are the same ones who made up a bunch of lies to get their Union in. They went on a full on smut and lies campaign. They create websites so that the people they smear can't defend themselves with the truth. this is how they did it before and this is just more of the same. The old union card Hi fellow Avantair Teammate, Again, out of curiosity, which lies do you speak of? And exactly what has the Union done to you or Avantair? You sure seem to have a lot of hatred for something so new, and so far, innocous. It's almost as if you are taking it personally. The Union has ONLY been certified on Avantair property since February 14,2013. Happy Valentines Day, by the way. The Union hasn't had time to do anything, positive or negative, in it's short existence. A Union would have been on property 3 years ago if not for the lies the pilots were told and believed. Fool me once, well, you know how it goes... So let's get back to those lies you speak of, including those "lies" that the pilot supposedly told the other pilots to bring the Union on the property. How about we start with my thread, Corporate Malfeasance at VNR. Thanks, Your fellow Avantair Team Member P.S.- The pilots started our website because they wanted to post without fear of retribution, much like the Tibetan Free Press would rather post anonymously than post on Chinese government websites. Self, preservation, plain and simple.
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Post by tair on Jul 9, 2013 20:49:14 GMT -5
I am an owner and I registered with your site as 1153 and have not had a reply, is you site closed?
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Post by Grinning Gus on Jul 9, 2013 22:18:55 GMT -5
Looks like you applied using a serial number. Contact admin again and indicate tail number. Her database/listing of owners is based on registration number. Admin wants to have all valid owners participate on her site
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Post by vnrpilots on Jul 10, 2013 3:39:07 GMT -5
I've had nobody register on my site as 1153 or tair.
To register go to vnrpilots.com/forums and register a user name. When that is done send an email to me at admin@vnrpilots.com and include your registered name from the last step (so I know who to approve) your tail number and the name associated with that tail number. If it matches I'll approve the account.
BTW, my gender is male.
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Post by vnrpilots on Jul 10, 2013 3:54:10 GMT -5
As long as I'm here I thought I'd mention I have some fresh information about 131SL (a bit alarming too). A fellow pilot visited the plane Tuesday and reported back. I've posted over on vnrpilots and will add photos when I get them (today I think).
172 and 195 are with 131 and will have pics of them as well. All will be posted under their tail.
<edited to clean up grammar.>
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Post by Guest owner on Jul 10, 2013 4:29:43 GMT -5
vnrpilots,
I saw the post on 131 on your site. If that is confirmed, and it wasn't authorized, or there isn't more to the story, it needs to be broadcast loudly to all owners. Scary...
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Post by Goose is cookedNBQA148 on Jul 10, 2013 5:46:47 GMT -5
The mention of 131. I thought Grinning Gus had poster that notice here already. Oh well.
To make sure it is known to all. N131SL is parked at millionair in houston. As you may have heard, Hugh Fuller has maintenance crews around the country removing parts from other airplanes that were originally installed on his airplanes.
In the case of 131SL, the right engine has been removed in preparation to ship it to FL. This is not conjecture. It is a fact confirmed by an avantground captain. That eng, by serial number, does belong to HF. (presumably)
If you are invested in 131, you are now aware. Please notify your fellow owners.
Not to yell fire in the theater, but no one knows at this point whether other airplanes will suffer the same fate, or have already.
Ahem . . . I would presume that this means HF is not planning on participating in the latest Haslettdream of 25k/share.
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