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Post by wildcat on Jul 6, 2013 8:48:33 GMT -5
Engine overhauls are normally budgeted from money set aside each month in accordance with the number of hours flown that month. While the engines are being overhauled the aircraft is normally fitted with spares fitted by the operator. In some cases the engine manufacturer may provide lease engines on site that can be installed for the duration of the overhaul and a hourly lease payments made to the manufacturer.
bottom line is that the money should have been there when the engine comes up for overhaul and there should have been spare engines available to keep the aircraft flying while the engines were overhauled.
Engines are different that most replaceable serial-numbered items because of the wide range of overhaul/repair costs that, in many cases, are dependent on the examination of the components at the overhaul shop. In other words you want to keep the same engines with the same airframes.
In a lower cost item, say a landing gear actuator, you you just replace the unit with a "zero time since overhaul" unit and be done with it. You would send the replaced unit out for overhaul and return it to stock after it is overhauled.
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Post by wildcat on Jul 6, 2013 8:54:09 GMT -5
Should be "spares held by the operator" above. That certainly does not mean cannibalizing engines from another aircraft, which is one of the worst maintenance practices there is.
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Post by guest 17653578 on Jul 6, 2013 9:10:37 GMT -5
Guest who claims to be an employee who just wants his or her job back, what about the SEC filing claiming 56 aircraft for operations when only 40something are on the operating certificate? If engines are the only things the planes not flying need, why are there recent pictures showing planes that have less parts in place than those sitting in vineyards in Arizona? Take off the rosy glasses and see the truth.
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Post by Avantair employee on Jul 6, 2013 9:19:46 GMT -5
Once again there was no money to set aside. I just said the monthly receipts dropped by several million. We had the planning in place in operations and in most cases the engines where shipped for overhaul and are now awaiting payment. All of this was tracked in Astro. It was also explained on the owner conference call I dialed into. There was nothing hidden. This is all Monday morning quarterbacking. I am just trying to provide some factual content
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Post by vnrpilots on Jul 6, 2013 9:27:02 GMT -5
I was in a meeting where Haslett showed the monthly receipts declined from over 12 million to about 8. I know it's fun to speculate and ignite fires but the fact is we had a lot less money to pay for engine overhauls. Like I said I worked in operations and knew when airplanes would be available. A year ago it was very different. I am not blaming owners in the least. I understand why you didn't want to pay. I just think the speculation is wrong and unfortunate. We all tried really hard to mark it work but the money just wasn't there. I just hope we can get our jobs back and get all the airplanes back up. If we do we can put this all this behind us. There is nothing sinister here. As a forum admin one could imagine my network runs pretty deep. I've received several PMs saying Avantair employee is Steve Santo himself. I wasn't going to say anything until I saw this post. Haslett showing declining receipts in a meeting would be a very selective meeting indeed. Whoever Avantair Employee is they are at the VERY top of the pyramid, not some worker in the OCC. They also HAD to be responsible for calling me (and a lot of my friends) in to work knowing full well I'd not be paid for my labor. I'm not here to complain, just pointing out facts I'm 99.9% sure of.
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Post by wildcat on Jul 6, 2013 9:27:56 GMT -5
I don't care if the monthly receipts dropped to zero. The money set aside for engine overhaul should have been on hand and available the day the engine was shipped.
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Post by Avantair employer on Jul 6, 2013 9:38:21 GMT -5
More facts we were all told the company was going to sell off 10 airplanes . If my memory is correct we got up to 44 or 45 on the operating certificate. I don't want to keep dispelling rumors. Lets try and move forward so we can all put food on the table. The conspiracy theories are not helping anyone
I am going to stay on as a guest I know how you can be and I don't want to suffer the same smear campaign you have started against others
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Post by Gussett on Jul 6, 2013 9:39:46 GMT -5
Maybe because people stopped paying. We were told the receivable was 10 million dollars. That's a lot of overhauls. We can all point fingers I won't get into all the delays created by pilots everyday but you should look in the mirror too. The delays created by pilots. I laughed so hard on that i spilled my coffee. Thanks a lot.
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Post by Guest owner on Jul 6, 2013 9:43:16 GMT -5
PT6 TBOs don't sneak up on operators, they are known years in advance. Scheduled overhauls and owner maintenance payments did not sink AAIR, mismanagement did.
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Post by Avantair employee on Jul 6, 2013 9:46:19 GMT -5
I am not santo. You can keep guessing though. Not sure why it matters since everything I said is true.
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Post by Guest on Jul 6, 2013 9:57:48 GMT -5
Avantair employee,
But you really didn't "say" anything of substance, all you really said is that everyone else was spreading "lies", and you essentially also blame the owners' non-payment for the collapse of the company. Since you're obviously an insider, why don't you specifically refute all the lies on this board? Let's start with this one: do you deny that the company owns a TBM for the personal use of the executives?
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Post by Avantair employee on Jul 6, 2013 10:07:50 GMT -5
I don't have specific information on every flight the tbm took. I do know it was dispatched all over the country to fix piaggios something that has been left out of every post on that airplane. Several nights it was used to get 3 airplanes back into service. Most nights we were waiting for information back on tails that mechanics sent on the tbm where fixing.
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Post by BP509 on Jul 6, 2013 10:22:41 GMT -5
.... TBM was fixing planes when it wasn't being used by McKamey to ferry Hugh Fuller and Co. back and forth from the Bahamas. Come on Jason Bercan, you are accusing people of leaving information out, but you know as good as anybody else in the OCC that many piaggios were left grounded for days with MX because we did not have the TBM available due to it being used to hook up execs and their friends. Maybe you don't remember the excessive use of company assets by execs and friends because you were too busy trying to keep your cover going with management to save your sorry ass from being fired. Just as your motto goes... "If you can't dazzle them with your brilliance, then baffle them with your bullshit." You were just one of the many completely unqualified and incompetent managers at the company. We can only imagine what the OCC could have been there was a competent OCC Director in your place.
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Post by Guest on Jul 6, 2013 10:22:57 GMT -5
So it's a $2,000,000 parts shuttle. Got it, thanks.
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Post by vnrpilots on Jul 6, 2013 10:27:43 GMT -5
I am not santo. You can keep guessing though. Not sure why it matters since everything I said is true. Nope, I'm done guessing. It must feel weird typing "I'm not Santo". You are dialed into MX, Ops and finance's. You're at meetings talking about declining receipts and know about TBMs launching on MX recovery flights. You are aware of details of owner calls. You also have a knack to blame and point fingers at all but management. Even go so far as blame pilots for delays and owners for the company failure...on an OWNER FORUM! That's rich. You absolutely are Steve Santo. Don't be bashful, you started a great airline. Best job I ever had. It could have been truly grand. The way its ended is a true shame and so avoidable. Oh well.
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