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Post by vnrpilots on Jul 4, 2013 9:47:47 GMT -5
Allow me to introduce myself. I am the forum admin over at VNRpilots.com.
I must admit that my forum is the cause of many of the pilots posting here. Awhile back a pilot there posted a link here and many flowed over and sort of cluttered up your forum. Apologies in advance.
Moving on, I have decided to open up my forum to VNR Owners. I am not trying to steal traffic from this site, but rather augment it. I have set up my forum with features that have been requested here;
-There is a dedicated board for each and every Piaggio on the Avantair Certificate.
-I have posted a picture that locates every Piaggio by airport identifier to help locate your assets.
-Use of various topics to help keep conversations separated for easy search as opposed to having one thread everyone uses for all topics.
-Pilots on the forum DO NOT have access to the Owners portion of the site just as Owners will not have access to the Pilots side of the site.
There is ONE section where both groups can co-mingle if they choose and it's clearly identified.
In order to ensure ONLY Avantair Owners are allowed into the site I require a registration. To register simply provide the Tail Number of the plane you have an interest in along with the Owner Name provided. This could be your real name or the name of the LLC used.
To register on the forum the following steps must ALL be completed:
-go to vnrpilots.com/forums and register a unique name and password, then -send an email to me at admin@vnrpilots.com and provide your planes tail number as well as the name on the registration of that aircraft.
If the two match your account will be approved by me and an email will be sent to you at the email you provide during registration on the forum.
I hope to help the owners during this difficult time as much as I've already helped the pilots here.
Welcome,
admin
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Post by vnrpilots on Jul 4, 2013 10:12:25 GMT -5
I should mention that the forum has an anti-bot feature that asks newly registered members a question. It should be an easy question for a Piaggio Owner, but if you get stuck just post here and I'll give you the answer.
I had a hard time coming up with questions that an owner would know and a bot would not. I ended up with questions like 'how many seats are on a Piaggio including the pilots seats?'.
Sorry for the bother but these forums get slammed with spammers and they've figured out the captcha. I've found the questions do a much better job of weeding them out.
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Post by TShurr on Jul 4, 2013 10:34:31 GMT -5
Where did you get this information? My personal information should not be used in anyway.
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Post by piaggio on Jul 4, 2013 10:55:49 GMT -5
Where did you get this information? My personal information should not be used in anyway. Your personal information was provided to him, courtesy of you friend Steve Santo.
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Post by vnrpilots on Jul 4, 2013 11:09:06 GMT -5
I don't have anyones personal information. I have a list of aircraft and owners listed on the registration. It is a required document on all of the aircraft. I'm not sharing this document with anyone, simply using it to identify actual owners from strangers on the street.
Simply put, the only information I have about anybody here is information that can be obtained by anybody from the FAA. Even that information I only use to verify you are indeed an owner so I can approve access to our forum.
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Post by Guest on Jul 4, 2013 12:56:05 GMT -5
For the Avantair pilots, you may want to reach out to some former Jet Direct pilots. They went through the same thing you are going through. Not sure you're going to be happy with what they have to say but may be able to offer some good advice. Just checked their old website Jetdirectowesmemoney.com but doesn't look like it's functional anymore.
Good luck.
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Post by APilot on Jul 4, 2013 13:50:19 GMT -5
Where did you get this information? My personal information should not be used in anyway. He's right. All airplanes were required to have a current copy of the full list of all owners' names (however they registered their ownership, whether it was your actual name or LLC) onboard for every flight. There is no address, phone, or email associated with that information on that list. As far as that forum, I would recommend everyone start using it. As has been pointed out on this forum, people are posting on a COMPLETELY PUBLIC forum. At least on that one, you know the viewership is limited, you can't get any more public than you already are. When vnrpilots.com got started about a year ago, it took a while for the pilot group to embrace it, but now the company-run thread is a ghost town while vnrpilots just passed 9,000 posts.
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Post by Guest on Jul 4, 2013 14:22:24 GMT -5
Owners...I've got to say, if there are any of you wanting information, weather it be where your airplane is, status of it, operational concerns, maintenance issues, etc. the Pilots are the ones who will give you a honest answer. There is a wealth of information in these guys. They operated your aircraft, they dealt with maintenance personally, they dealt with owners personally, they understood the financial situation because they dealt with it daily. They knew how many planes were flying who was flying them what was wrong with them, etcc. The pilots dealt with you face to face. Not over the phone to get you off their back like the company did. Just my 2 cents which is now worth about 1/4th of that.
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Post by pintom on Jul 4, 2013 19:09:55 GMT -5
Hi. I just got set up on the VNR forum, and if nothing else, it has what looks like a comprehensive list of all the aircraft, with a separate thread for each tail number. I created new posts for my two interests identifying myself as an owner. That seems like a good place to start accumulating and organizing owner info.
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Post by hrofcr on Jul 5, 2013 0:48:39 GMT -5
Back in December, we said, "Go perform an impossible act with yourself, Avantair" and walked away. By the end of this year, our book value in a specific P180 will be -0-, and that appears to be what its market value will be also, even though it is one of the airworthy ones, we think.
We're on this forum, we're on the vnrpilots forum, we're on two other forums (one of which I paid $10 to join). Our feeling is that we have an asset that is worth nothing, right now. If we can glean any information from any source that gives us a possibility of getting some money from a currently worthless asset, without paying an attorney somewhere between $20K and $50K, then I'm going to spend the time doing the exploring. But, then, we're basically retired.
Leonardo da Vinci once said, "Learning never exhausts the mind". The more resources we have, the more information we might glean.
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Post by n160sl on Jul 5, 2013 8:13:46 GMT -5
So when I look up my plane on the FAA website, it simply says "this aircraft's registration status may not make it suitable for operation". Any other owners of N160SL on this forum and any idea where the plane is and what condition it might be in?
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Post by vnrpilots on Jul 5, 2013 10:38:09 GMT -5
So when I look up my plane on the FAA website, it simply says "this aircraft's registration status may not make it suitable for operation". Any other owners of N160SL on this forum and any idea where the plane is and what condition it might be in? According to vnrpilots.com/forums N160SL is at Mc Clellan (KMCC). It's a small airport just to the East of Sacramento, CA. I have no idea of the condition. Might check flightaware.com to see when it last flew.
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Post by mikea on Jul 5, 2013 11:19:47 GMT -5
I am also a 1/16 owner of N160SL. Here is the FAA website showing the registration and owners. registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=160SLThe plane is at McClellan (KMCC) and was flying continuously just before the grounding, which is hopefully good news as to its condition. Please send me your contact info, since I am trying to put together a list of owners so we can communicate. Thanks Mike Aymar mikeaymar@aol.com So when I look up my plane on the FAA website, it simply says "this aircraft's registration status may not make it suitable for operation". Any other owners of N160SL on this forum and any idea where the plane is and what condition it might be in?
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Post by onegoodyear on Jul 5, 2013 18:32:21 GMT -5
I recommend this site to owners, pilots, and employees. The criminal investigation thread is worth the price of admission (it doesn't cost anything but time).
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Post by Avantair employee on Jul 5, 2013 22:24:23 GMT -5
Stop the lies. It may make you feel better but in the long run it hurts us all. I want my job back. You pilots looking to get paid on the side or pick up a flying job with the owners are a disgrace. You make thus stuff up and try and kill the company to help yourselves. As if working in operations and dealing with you prima donnas wasn't enough now this.
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